john t
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« on: June 22, 2011, 06,45:27 AM » |
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I notice that there have been quite a few beginner L1 rides
On at the moment, which is great, and was thinking.
Is there interest in running another?
If so what format/style of ride are learner interested in?
What issues of riding are beginners having trouble with?
Do they want to practice on one type of terrain or go riding and have help getting thru certain situations?
John T
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Willbar
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 07,15:41 AM » |
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I notice that there have been quite a few beginner L1 rides
On at the moment, which is great, and was thinking.
Is there interest in running another?
If so what format/style of ride are learner interested in?
What issues of riding are beginners having trouble with?
Do they want to practice on one type of terrain or go riding and have help getting thru certain situations?
John T
Going down hills is where most have trouble that I come across and using clutch and higher gear to get up hills and tne use of momentum . Will
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 08,40:57 AM » |
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 08,56:07 AM » |
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John from the level 1 and first time level 2's the main thing people seem to like and find helpfull is to have a more experinced rider at the base of a hill or challedge to point out how they would tackle it. And helpers along or around an obsticle to assist or grab them. Which i helps reasure them that if they fail or drop the bike they will stop rolling before they land in Bendigo. And reasure them that there is no preasure or time constraint. Also not to under estimate what they may find troublesome. I find i do over look things that i now take for granted? Also have found riding a hill or what ever for them to see, before they tackle it seems to put a better picture in their mind of what is involved. Just my veiws John, Al
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 09,18:30 AM » |
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If you are talking about real beginners I reckon one on one is the way to go...If there's say 3 beginners, then you need 3 older riders, & each group will meet at the same place, but then go off in pairs, then meet back at the cars for lunch, then swap around, I'm quite happy to spend a day out with a beginner, low k's, but heaps learnt.
My 2 bobs worth.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 09,46:51 AM » |
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If you are talking about real beginners I reckon one on one is the way to go...If there's say 3 beginners, then you need 3 older riders, & each group will meet at the same place, but then go off in pairs, then meet back at the cars for lunch, then swap around, I'm quite happy to spend a day out with a beginner, low k's, but heaps learnt.
My 2 bobs worth.
ill partner you Frankie and show you how to tackle hills |
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 10,34:12 AM » |
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If you are talking about real beginners. I'm quite happy to spend a day out with a beginner, low k's, but heaps learnt.
My 2 bobs worth.
ill partner you Frankie and show you how to tackle hills You left yourself wide open for that Frankie boy, you did say you'd be happy to go out with a beginner. |
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 12,21:38 PM » |
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If you are talking about real beginners I reckon one on one is the way to go...If there's say 3 beginners, then you need 3 older riders, & each group will meet at the same place, but then go off in pairs, then meet back at the cars for lunch, then swap around, I'm quite happy to spend a day out with a beginner, low k's, but heaps learnt.
My 2 bobs worth.
ill partner you Frankie and show you how to tackle hills You've shown me a few times now Mat I'm now ready to pass on what I've learnt |
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 01,12:42 PM » |
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I have done a bit of research on this by attending a few beginner rides. Not just in AMTRA either. I have found the following.
Shorter rides seem popular. About 5 hours.
Way too many level 2 and up riders go. I think if you have about 15 beginners, have 5 to 6 experienced riders to help.
2 tailmen is good.
Make it easy, most beginners just want a ride to suit them, not a heap of challenges thrown in.
Just my opinion. I think a private property day with a course marked out and experts positioned on obsticles to help would be good thing. Repition and one on one, but this works better on a private property setting, not on a day ride.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 01,15:41 PM » |
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I went on a beginner ride recently and there were 5 genuine beginners, the rest were about level 2 and up. All beginners except one went home after lunch.
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john t
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 09,39:50 PM » |
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I have done a bit of research on this by attending a few beginner rides. Not just in AMTRA either. I have found the following.
Shorter rides seem popular. About 5 hours.
Way too many level 2 and up riders go. I think if you have about 15 beginners, have 5 to 6 experienced riders to help.
2 tailmen is good.
Make it easy, most beginners just want a ride to suit them, not a heap of challenges thrown in.
Just my opinion. I think a private property day with a course marked out and experts positioned on obsticles to help would be good thing. Repition and one on one, but this works better on a private property setting, not on a day ride.
Thamkyou for your input, This is what I am after, this is not unlike what we did last year. But as you said a fair few L2 riders attend biginner ride's If you could list some of the things that you think are important to beginner riders We can work on a course, Thinking a BBQ lunch With say log crossing, Water crossing, hill climb, hill decent are we getting close?. John T |
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john t
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 09,40:37 PM » |
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Staying on the bike seems to be a problem for a lot of people. Fix that and you will be a legend!! Supa Glue |
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 10,37:52 PM » |
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I have done a bit of research on this by attending a few beginner rides. Not just in AMTRA either. I have found the following.
Shorter rides seem popular. About 5 hours.
Way too many level 2 and up riders go. I think if you have about 15 beginners, have 5 to 6 experienced riders to help.
2 tailmen is good.
Make it easy, most beginners just want a ride to suit them, not a heap of challenges thrown in.
Just my opinion. I think a private property day with a course marked out and experts positioned on obsticles to help would be good thing. Repition and one on one, but this works better on a private property setting, not on a day ride.
Thamkyou for your input, This is what I am after, this is not unlike what we did last year. But as you said a fair few L2 riders attend biginner ride's If you could list some of the things that you think are important to beginner riders We can work on a course, Thinking a BBQ lunch With say log crossing, Water crossing, hill climb, hill decent are we getting close?. John T yep, happy to come and help and can organise AMTRA barby lunch if committee aprove. Will |
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 11,54:00 PM » |
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I think Pat has pretty much nailed it....
I have run three level 1 rides so far and what i have observed and the feedback from the genuine begineers is ,
4-5 Hours pulls them up
A shortish defined loop with mild obsticles included is very popular becasue the guys can re ride obsitles and practice their skills as they loop the course. ( The experienced guys stationed around the course to help out and watch for oncoming bikes , 4WD's etc )
Minimize Level 2 plus people to only the number you need.
Keep it as close to melbourne as possible , its a tough call to drive a total of 5 + hours for a 3-4 hour ride.
Include a trail ride at the end.
All of the above are the reasons that the Bunyip ride is so popular , I find bunyip boring but for the level one guys its the perfect challenge.
These rides need to be regular at least monthly , 12 rides per annum - If you are a new guy and just got back on a bike would you want to wait 6-8 weeks between rides of course not so what do you do - YOU LOOK ELSE WHERE -
Great question John , the club wants to grow and I have no boubt it dose then catering for beginers properly has to be part of the stratergy , lets face it without new riders we stagnate . shrink and disapear .
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 06,55:41 AM » |
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Hi All, I am a newbie to dirt bike riding and loving the challenge of it. Missed out on doing the last level 1 ride that you ran and hoping that I may be able to try the club out and attend a level 1 ride soon. I know there is so much that I need to learn about riding dirt and have been getting out and slowly building confidence on my bike - a DRZ250. Being able to have an interesting shortish track where you can go over an obstacle or through a pinch a few times is a great way of building confidence. As is having someone who is happy to share their greater experience and knowledge. One thing I'm a bit too nervous to even try yet is the "simple" skill of getting a front wheel off the ground to hop over a log. Some hand holding while learning this sort of skill would be marvellous. Another thing that I have found to be overly intimidating as a newbie is getting into an obstacle from a dead stop. I have found that if I stop at the top of a hill and then have to ride down it the fear factor can kick in, but if I ride up to it slowly I can generally get myself to ride down the hill, well as far as my ability will take me anyway.  But once I'm stopped half way down a steepish hill I'm stuck.  The best thing for getting more confidence and skill on the bike is the obvious - more hours on the bike - but not too many in a straight row to begin with as I find I start getting tired and will make stupid mistakes if I am at it for too extended a stretch at the moment. It takes a lot of concentration for me at the moment to ride even the simple tracks. |
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