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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2010, 06,10:35 AM » |
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Well said Serge, I have to agree with you, as I am FAR from an expert rider, and even experienced is stretching it a little bit as I have only been riding for 5 years. You are right about the being spooked bit and I have never seen an experienced ride on the calendar. I put on a ride out at Murrindindi that is a clubman ride and the last time I put it on the calendar I didn't get one call from anyone who was interested in coming along so the ride didn't happen. The reason I list it as clubman is that it is a physically demanding ride, I can deal with most terrain myself, I don't like to stop much and as I'm fairly fit my pace doesn't change through out the day and as it's my ride that's how I want to run it If I wanted a stop start ride with lots of assistance then I'd list it as L2 but then there is no way you'd be able to complete the whole 100k loop as it's pretty full on. People need to push themselves more as it's the only way you will improve your skills, there has been plenty of times on rides when I've been the slowest or struggling with the ride, but all that does is make you a better rider. When you learn what your limits are and what you need to work on, you improve. Doing the same easy rides every month isn't going to improve your skills on the bike at all, so get out of your comfort zone and try something new and talking to the ride leader is a great place to start, as long as you are honest about your abilites on the bike. Oh and Zeb, pretty sure i'll still leave you behind next year!!....hahahaha joking mate, you have improved dramatically from the first time i rode with you.  |
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2010, 07,28:51 AM » |
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Well said Serge, I have to agree with you, as I am FAR from an expert rider, and even experienced is stretching it a little bit as I have only been riding for 5 years. You are right about the being spooked bit and I have never seen an experienced ride on the calendar. I put on a ride out at Murrindindi that is a clubman ride and the last time I put it on the calendar I didn't get one call from anyone who was interested in coming along so the ride didn't happen. The reason I list it as clubman is that it is a physically demanding ride, I can deal with most terrain myself, I don't like to stop much and as I'm fairly fit my pace doesn't change through out the day and as it's my ride that's how I want to run it If I wanted a stop start ride with lots of assistance then I'd list it as L2 but then there is no way you'd be able to complete the whole 100k loop as it's pretty full on. People need to push themselves more as it's the only way you will improve your skills, there has been plenty of times on rides when I've been the slowest or struggling with the ride, but all that does is make you a better rider. When you learn what your limits are and what you need to work on, you improve. Doing the same easy rides every month isn't going to improve your skills on the bike at all, so get out of your comfort zone and try something new and talking to the ride leader is a great place to start, as long as you are honest about your abilites on the bike. Oh and Zeb, pretty sure i'll still leave you behind next year!!....hahahaha joking mate, you have improved dramatically from the first time i rode with you. One day Nathan one day Well maybe it will take quite a few days but you will get a good wiff of motul two stroke oil eventually You should take everyone to that nasty litttle single at poweltown that we all got stuck on talk about character building and finding your limits man my arms hurt for a week  |
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2010, 07,51:42 AM » |
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what do you mean we ALL got stuck on it?? i dont recall being stuck!! |
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« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2010, 08,28:13 AM » |
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[quote it's my ride that's how I want to run it
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Not having a go at ya mate, but that is the reason why you didn't get a call, have you ever thought that a lot of ppl join the club just to go out for a ride & meet new ppl, & don't want to put their neck on the line, they have families to look after a have to be back to work on Monday morning, that's why they join the club because it's a trail bike riding club,& not a racing club, I may be wrong in my thinking but that's what I reckon.
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« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2010, 09,33:04 AM » |
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Just because a ride is hard or a challenge, dont mean your putting your neck on the line!! Thats just crap!
So I talk crap do I, I think you've forgotten how it was when you first started,with all this talk going on here, how a ride has to be a big challenge & very technical to improve there riding, puts pressure on riders, so I say again for the riders that just want to go for a nice trail ride & get pushed into these rides they do put there necks on the line. |
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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2010, 10,18:29 AM » |
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Ps. Now Seano will have another target as his a Clubman.
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« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2010, 10,28:26 AM » |
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AMTRA has NO expert grading. That was a term we stopped using a long time ago as Enduros were also graded Expert and AMTRA rides have little to do with how fast you ride. An "EXPERIENCED" rider will be capable of a reasonable pace and be capable of riding nearly any challenge out there with no help and also be capable of long distances if the ride is so planned. I believe many AMTRA riders should be rating themselves as "Experienced" but seem scared to do so.
If you want to be an EXPERT then ride enduros and see how you go. Ride gradings are listed on the web and newsletter. They are easy to understand.
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2010, 10,41:31 AM » |
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Sorry Seano. Was trying to make a joke and lighten then mood. My Bad! Problem fixed! Al
Ps. Seano, yor welcome on my ride when ever your ready, dont ever remember preasuring anyone into one?
Ps 2. I havnt forgotten were i started and im always one of the first off the bike to render assistance and help a fellow rider! As was done for me! I have also never had anyone break a bone on any of my so called Experienced rides.
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2010, 11,43:36 PM » |
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[quote it's my ride that's how I want to run it
Not having a go at ya mate, but that is the reason why you didn't get a call, have you ever thought that a lot of ppl join the club just to go out for a ride & meet new ppl, & don't want to put their neck on the line, they have families to look after a have to be back to work on Monday morning, that's why they join the club because it's a trail bike riding club,& not a racing club, I may be wrong in my thinking but that's what I reckon. [/quote] Frankie believe it or not, there are people in this club that like challenging rides, not every one wants to stop for story time at the end of every track, and not everyone wants to go for a 3 hr ride in the morning and go for lunch and talk about how good they are. If thats the way the club is heading, where it's just an easy social ride is all the club offers then there will be no experienced riders to pass on their skills to the beginners, then the club will be the loser. Never once have i said anything about my rides being a race or that your neck will be put on the line, but if there's no room or need for clubman/challenging rides on the calendar then i will not put any more on. |
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2010, 12,07:21 AM » |
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brad i reckon your rides are spot on.as everyone
has said each person view on levels differ.al id like to try your fumina ride if its ok but its hard to commit to a clubman ride. how do know if you can cut it on the harder rides is there a way of working out what level you are like a test or something.ive seen people say they're clubman level and struggle on very easy rides.brad i look forward to doing your rides next year i enjoy them and i dont mind helping out if u need a hand.
Hard to commit to Al's clubman ride cause you don't know if you can cut it!! Didn't you say in a previous post you were doing Wildwood Rock EXTREME!!! enduro next year?? If you can finish Wildwood then you can do Al's ride with your eyes closed. As far as Brads ride is concerned, in my opinion it was a L2 ride with no challenges. As Al said Brads hard tracks were Al's tracks to catch your breath, clubman is a word thrown around very loosely in this club, and there isn't that many clubman riders in AMTRA. It's not about speed, it's about the ability to deal with whatever terrain is thrown at you WITHOUT assistance. In a previous post you said you were entering Wildwood Rock EXTREME!! enduro!!!! If your doing wildwood then you could do Al's ride with tour eyes closed. As far as Brads ride goes, in my opinion it was a cruisy L2 ride with no challenges, and I used it to work on certain skills Ok here we go again, time after time this same topic comes up and people in our club do not seam to under stand our clubs riders grading system, so I have attached it to this post for your reference. What Nathan has described as a clubman rider is actaully an expert rider by our clubs grading system, and it is time for some of our so called clubman riders, to harden up and start calling themselfs what they really are, and that is exsperienced riders, and proudly so. We have great riders at all levels in this club, but we have some awesome riders who persist on only calling themselfs Clubman riders, when there is no doubt in my mind, that they are infact Exsperienced riders, and infact some of the rides which they also call clubman rides, are also Exsperienced rides. Brads description is good but again a clubman ride is not about distance or speed, just ask Dave or Rowen Smith or any of the riders on the last HTFU ride. I agree in certain circumstances , there needs to be an average speed and distance to travel, otherwise the ride cannot be compleated in the set time frame, but in my opinion, what you need to be a clubman, is an understanding of how your bike works, so you can apply the techniques required to handle most terains, and obstacles, and repairs to your bike, but most of all, when the going gets tough, you need the ability to dig deep for pure guts and determination, to get up,or down, in or out of something, or over or under when required. Guys lets not try and rewrite our grading system once more, lets just start using what we already have, properly. Human nature is that we get better at things without realizing how much better we have got, so for some reason when things get easier for us we forget how hard they once were, Will Ride standards/ AMTRA rides are graded at 4 different levels. The following is a description of each of the levels. Level 1 For riders with little or no trail riding skills. Level 2 For riders with skill levels above those of a beginner and usually easy rides with lots of assistance given. Clubman For riders with average skills and the ability to cope with most terrain and bike repairs (Punctures, broken levers etc). Assistance given if required. Experienced For riders with the ability to cope with all terrain with little or no help unless asked for. Experienced grade rides usually cover long distances. P.S. Guys please do not rely on the tailman to help a falling rider, if you see someone under a bike or in danger, you stop to help, you do not leave them there for someone else to help them, cause someone else may not come along quick enough, you find somewhere safe to stop and park your bike, and you go to there aid ASAP. And dont forget to laugh at them if it is not to serious. |
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2010, 12,19:10 AM » |
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[quote it's my ride that's how I want to run it
Not having a go at ya mate, but that is the reason why you didn't get a call, have you ever thought that a lot of ppl join the club just to go out for a ride & meet new ppl, & don't want to put their neck on the line, they have families to look after a have to be back to work on Monday morning, that's why they join the club because it's a trail bike riding club,& not a racing club, I may be wrong in my thinking but that's what I reckon. Frankie believe it or not, there are people in this club that like challenging rides, not every one wants to stop for story time at the end of every track, and not everyone wants to go for a 3 hr ride in the morning and go for lunch and talk about how good they are. If thats the way the club is heading, where it's just an easy social ride is all the club offers then there will be no experienced riders to pass on their skills to the beginners, then the club will be the loser. Never once have i said anything about my rides being a race or that your neck will be put on the line, but if there's no room or need for clubman/challenging rides on the calendar then i will not put any more on. [/quote]Nathan, do not be discouraged, people do still want challenging rides, the HTFU rides are testiment to that, its just that sometimes the moons do not align for people , and even though you may not like rides that are to sociable, there are a lot of guys who do want to be sociable on the rides, so it depends if you are running a ride the way you want it, you may not be getting people along because thats not the way they want it, but if you are running a ride the way people want it then you will get some along, Keep up the good work Nath, there is still room for challenges in our calender. Will |
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2010, 04,55:23 AM » |
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Hey AL, you are missing the point I'm making.
Looks like AMTRA is just like DBW you can't have an opinion here either, I better keep my mouth shut from now on.
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2010, 04,57:41 AM » |
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Whoooo....easy fellas!
Let's just take a breath here.
I don't know when this thread got ugly, but I don't like the direction it's taking.
How about we put a hold on this discussion, and take it up at a General Meeting where it can be talked about face-to-face? I'd hate to see anyone get upset over this, especially when it can be a simple miss-understanding over something that someone has said (written).
I don't want to see anyone post a comment that they may regret later!
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2010, 05,08:21 AM » |
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I haven't been a member for very long, I've been on lots of rides & had a ball, I have put my hand up to help with the HCR, right now I'm loosing interest in the club.
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