brad i reckon your rides are spot on.as everyone
has said each person view on levels differ.al id like to try your fumina ride if its ok but its hard to commit to a clubman ride. how do know if you can cut it on the harder rides is there a way of working out what level you are like a test or something.ive seen people say they're clubman level and struggle on very easy rides.brad i look forward to doing your rides next year i enjoy them and i dont mind helping out if u need a hand.
Hard to commit to Al's clubman ride cause you don't know if you can cut it!!
Didn't you say in a previous post you were doing Wildwood Rock EXTREME!!! enduro next year??
If you can finish Wildwood then you can do Al's ride with your eyes closed.
As far as Brads ride is concerned, in my opinion it was a L2 ride with no challenges. As Al said Brads hard tracks were Al's tracks to catch your breath, clubman is a word thrown around very loosely in this club, and there isn't that many clubman riders in AMTRA. It's not about speed, it's about the ability to deal with whatever terrain is thrown at you WITHOUT assistance.
In a previous post you said you were entering Wildwood Rock EXTREME!! enduro!!!!
If your doing wildwood then you could do Al's ride with tour eyes closed.
As far as Brads ride goes, in my opinion it was a cruisy L2 ride with no challenges, and I used it to work on certain skills
Ok here we go again, time after time this same topic comes up and people in our club do not seam to under stand our clubs riders grading system, so I have attached it to this post for your reference.
What Nathan has described as a clubman rider is actaully an expert rider by our clubs grading system, and it is time for some of our so called clubman riders, to harden up and start calling themselfs what they really are, and that is exsperienced riders, and proudly so.
We have great riders at all levels in this club, but we have some awesome riders who persist on only calling themselfs Clubman riders, when there is no doubt in my mind, that they are infact Exsperienced riders, and infact some of the rides which they also call clubman rides, are also Exsperienced rides.
Brads description is good but again a clubman ride is not about distance or speed, just ask Dave or Rowen Smith or any of the riders on the last HTFU ride.
I agree in certain circumstances , there needs to be an average speed and distance to travel, otherwise the ride cannot be compleated in the set time frame, but in my opinion, what you need to be a clubman, is an understanding of how your bike works, so you can apply the techniques required to handle most terains, and obstacles, and repairs to your bike, but most of all, when the going gets tough, you need the ability to dig deep for pure guts and determination, to get up,or down, in or out of something, or over or under when required.
Guys lets not try and rewrite our grading system once more, lets just start using what we already have, properly.
Human nature is that we get better at things without realizing how much better we have got, so for some reason when things get easier for us we forget how hard they once were, Will
Ride standards/
AMTRA rides are graded at 4 different levels.
The following is a description of each of the levels.
Level 1 For riders with little or no trail riding skills.
Level 2 For riders with skill levels above those of a beginner and usually easy rides with lots of
assistance given.
Clubman For riders with average skills and the ability to cope with most terrain and bike repairs
(Punctures, broken levers etc). Assistance given if required.
Experienced For riders with the ability to cope with all terrain with little or no help unless asked for.
Experienced grade rides usually cover long distances.
P.S. Guys please do not rely on the tailman to help a falling rider, if you see someone under a bike or in danger, you stop to help, you do not leave them there for someone else to help them, cause someone else may not come along quick enough, you find somewhere safe to stop and park your bike, and you go to there aid ASAP. And dont forget to laugh at them if it is not to serious.
