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Paul Smith
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« on: November 22, 2009, 10,38:51 AM » |
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Below is what we would be paying for some popular bikes in the US Bike $US $AU FE450 $9499 -> $10400 YZF450 $7399 -> $8100 KXF450 $7549 -> $8250 KTM450SXF $7998 -> $8750 RMZ450 $7499 -> $8200 CRF450 $7599 -> $8300 From where I sit, this means our bikes should be getting a whole lot cheaper because of the strength of the Aussie dollar. Anyone out there noticed price drops coming from the bike shops ?  Before you buy a new bike make sure your dstealer takes you out for dinner before they screw you ! |
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chrism
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 10,51:52 AM » |
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I'm hearing you Paul.
With ADR compliance and fitting of additional eqip (horn / indicators) I think you can allow for a bit of a difference $1500ish.
However with the Mx bikes, yeah were been ripped. I think they base there pricing off the enduro bikes.
Were where been seriously ripped is with spare parts, clothing, and accesories. It's not uncommon for it to be 100% more here.
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Willbar
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 10,37:41 PM » |
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Guys there is one point you are missing here, the US market is huge were the aussie market is tiny, they have massive turn over were our distributors would only be a few percent in comparison to there's. I feel more ripped of buying parts here at the moment as you pay around twice to 3 times the price you do in the states and as the dollar is almost equal that is why I have been buying lots from the UK and the US. I think if you read into it how can they justify the cost of a new Enduro bike when you look at the equavalent price of a road bike you get much more power, bigger brakes and more fibre glass. Will
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2011 KTM 300 EXC
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OZinUS
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 04,11:20 AM » |
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Who pays retail for a bike? Just kidding  I think you will find that deals are done on a set price for the year. Ktm Austria will set a price to KTM Australia or KTM USA. Based on a predetermined exchange rate. As dollar values change throughout the year, dont expect price changes on the dealer floor. And dont expect them to go down in price at all. At best hope they will stay the same price next year. |
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Stewart
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chrism
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 08,13:44 AM » |
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Guys there is one point you are missing here, the US market is huge were the aussie market is tiny, they have massive turn over were our distributors would only be a few percent in comparison to there's. I feel more ripped of buying parts here at the moment as you pay around twice to 3 times the price you do in the states and as the dollar is almost equal that is why I have been buying lots from the UK and the US. I think if you read into it how can they justify the cost of a new Enduro bike when you look at the equavalent price of a road bike you get much more power, bigger brakes and more fibre glass. Will
With all respect Will, I don't agree with this. There is really only one reason why we get charged more. The answer is because we pay it. It's the same deal with new cars. Bikes, parts, and a lot of cars are all made in one central location. In most cases they are distributed by divisions of the company in different countries (Yamaha Australia etc.) The whole argument about different markets is a load of crap. I use to work for a company that had global distribution and manufacture. It's basic economics, supply and demand. We demand it, they supply it and charge as much as they can where we still buy it. |
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Willbar
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 09,35:09 AM » |
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So which country do you think has a greater supply and demand Chris?
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2011 KTM 300 EXC
2000 KTM 125 SX
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chrism
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 10,36:29 AM » |
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Ok let's play Will.
A. The US has greater supply and demand.
Q. Who control's the supply into the country??
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Willbar
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 09,39:51 PM » |
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So hence there buying price would be lower hence a slightly lower sales price.
The supplier is who controls supply but it is up to the distributor to order to there sales predictions so if they know they are only going to sell 1000 units they are not going to take delivery of 2000 units .
I think Stewart has hit the nail on the head with the control of pricing and why the price does not change as much as the dollar does. Will
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You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old becuase you stop laughing.
Never take life seriously.... Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Current Rides
2010 KTM 690 Duke
2011 KTM 300 EXC
2000 KTM 125 SX
2001 KTM 300 EXC
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OZinUS
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 12,07:23 AM » |
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Do the Aussie prices for bikes get cheaper after they are a year old. e.g. Left over prices.
I know some people just Have to have this year's model. Usually you can find good deals on last years model.
For example there is a dealer in Alabama selling new 09 Husaberg FE450 for $7450. plus $149.00 set up fee.
They also have a new 08 KTM 85 XC for $2795 retail is $5198.
Do the Aussie dealers have deals on older models?
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Stewart
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Willbar
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2009, 12,33:53 AM » |
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What they have been doing of late Stewart is offering a run out deal which may include around $1500 of hot up bits, exhausts, hand gaurds etc but they have been trying to keep the prices up as much as possible. Will
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You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old becuase you stop laughing.
Never take life seriously.... Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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2010 KTM 690 Duke
2011 KTM 300 EXC
2000 KTM 125 SX
2001 KTM 300 EXC
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OZinUS
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 01,43:56 AM » |
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yeh, KTM did that last year when the 09 models came out. They had a deal on 08 models with about $1500 of goodies thrown in. Suzuki, this year in the States have so many units on the dealers floor, they are delaying the arrival of the 2010 models until March next year. My closest KTM dealer, about four miles down the road still has 2 07 models left. But he is so tight, he squaeks when he walks.  |
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Stewart
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Willbar
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 03,55:13 AM » |
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That guy who squeeks must be related to our own Peter R
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You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old becuase you stop laughing.
Never take life seriously.... Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Current Rides
2010 KTM 690 Duke
2011 KTM 300 EXC
2000 KTM 125 SX
2001 KTM 300 EXC
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Starby
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 04,29:33 PM » |
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All manufacturers fix prices in this country via deals with their dealerships. KTM is able to set higher prices than Yamaha for example because they give their dealers a larger exlusive geographical area.
I can buy exactly the same products in SE Asia (mind you most of them are totally unavailable, but when I can) for about 20% of the Australian price. These include the Suzuki DR, used to include the Honda XR (only available second hand in Cambodia from Japan), but nothing over 250cc in Vietnam, it's illegal apparantly.
Yes, the companies do rip us off in Australia and ADR compiance adds very little to the cost of the bike, maybe 10-15%.
Cheers
Devon
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