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« on: January 22, 2010, 11,13:03 PM » |
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Time to clean our filters.  I use No-Toil air filter oil and cleaner. I do most of my maintaining of the bikes at home and dont want any more chemicals than necessary.  Quick pre-wash in the laundry sink, about 20 seconds on each one to get the crud loosened.  Then into the washing machine. It works fine, dont worry. Although I didnt tell the wife the first few times I did this.  Then into the dryer on medium heat for about thirty minutes and presto..  |
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Stewart
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Serge C
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 05,12:16 AM » |
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Wow, They look great, and it seems easy, but... It will probably cost a too much to send my 'no toiled' filters over to you to run through your washing machine, cos there's no way in hell my missus will let me put them through our machine!  |
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 05,25:28 AM » |
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They look amazing going to try probably be divorced when the wife finds out i used her washing machine  Thanks for tip |
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 06,33:38 AM » |
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You can substitute no toil cleaner with plain old laundry powder. Only one problem with no toil...... it isn't water proof, at all!! I don't know about you but I ride through water!! |
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 07,52:42 AM » |
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I got the old washing machine when we upgraded ours and put it in the shed.
The timer was shot and it would only do one of the wash cycles.
I wash everything in it, the filters come out nearly dry due to the spin cycle. Although, I use normal oil and wash in kero. I just squeeze the kero out and then into the washing machine with normal wash powder to clean out the kero.
Works a treat.
I also wash all my riding gear in the same machine, I never have to worry about my wife complaining about me messing up the laundry etc anymore.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 08,15:43 AM » |
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I use the Belray oil, I'll admit it's no easy to use but if it sticks to the filter as well as it sticks to my hands I'm sure it will do well. To clean them I use turps first to break down the oil then to the laundry tub with hot soapy water and soap powder to wash out the crap. Then a cold water rinse then let them dry. Sometimes there are still grains of sand and tiny bits of vegetation stuck in the foam cells; the shed vacuum fixes that once the filter is dry. To re oil I put the filter in a clean shopping bag, give it a good coating of oil and work it through till its well covered and then use the shopping bag for the next filter, I do three at a time. To stop the excess oil from the filter ending up on the swing arm I put them on a few sheets of newspaper and cover with a few more sheets and then stand on them. No wonder I don't like doing filters  |
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 01,08:34 PM » |
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The washing machine trick is great, doubt I'm going to get that one pass the wife though. Great tips though. I was wondering if anyone uses filter skins? I bought my WR250 back in September and the previous owner learnt a trick from an 'old pro' that using an oiled up kitchen chucks on the filter acts as a great skin. I've continued with this practice and finding that it doesn't cause the bike any problems, and that it does really catch a lot of dust. I have to cut them to shape but that's easy to do. It might be hard to see on this pic, but the chucks has a nice layer of Neerim sand on it from a ride I did just after Christmas, incredibly dusty day. It's due to be removed and replaced tomorrow as I'm heading out to Neerim again soon. The theory I was told was that it's cheaper and easier to just keep replacing the oiled chucks after every ride, and only do a complete clean on the filter every 2-3 rides. Just interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this, it appears to be working ok to date, there's almost no dust getting through the chucks. Also keen to know whether turps or kero is better for cleaning filters? Tim mentioned he uses turps but I was told kerosene was better. To be honest, turps is heaps cheaper to use, kero is expensive. Thanks..  |
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 10,00:56 PM » |
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Have an 07 WR250F and use filter skins on it for dusty day rides and multi day rides. I have a set of 3 (from Ballards)and rotate them every ride. Depending on how much gets through I clean all three skins and the Air filter together after the third ride or sometimes every second ride. Having replaced the original air filter with a Twin Air (has two types of foam in it fine and ultra fine)I wash them all in Turps and then hot soapy water. They say not to use Petrol or Kero as they break down the fine foam over time which means chucking it out or more dust/dirt/water may get into the engine.
Don't reckon I would put it in the washing machine as I imagine any remaining filer oil (Belray) would end up everywhere and the Mrs would kill me when it comes out on the other clothes
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2010, 09,38:51 AM » |
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Why don't we buy a clothes dryer, and leave it at the General Meeting spot, then we can do a big load of air filters.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2010, 10,25:45 AM » |
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I use a $2 can of degreaser in a bucket,then hit it with the hose. Works for me!!
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2010, 12,19:59 AM » |
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Having done over 15000 km on 3 bikes over 5 years on no toil I have a bit of experience with it as well. Lot's of river crossings on bikes without airbox's (Bergs). No problems.
Having a bunch of filters is a smart move I always have 3 or 4 for each bike. Makes cleaning them a once a month job.
I do mine in a bucket on monday night while watching top gear.
Water does not get sucked through a no toil filter unless the whole filter is submerged - which is when the other filters are stuffed anyway.
The biggest advantage of no toil for me is that I can wash and oil the filters and my (surgical) gloves don't disintegrate like they do in kero or turps which means I never get that goop all over my hands. Because the cleaner doesn't smell I can wash them in the house without stinking the house out.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 06,01:33 AM » |
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As part of the deal with my infamous AE430 honest Marty thru in a Putoline filter wash kit. It's basically a cleaning drum (half height 20 ltr) with the "magic" solution inside and an air tight lid. It also came with a smaller container to sit the filter in while re-oiling, it has an air tight lid so the dribbled oil stays in there waiting for the next filter. The kit also had some sealing grease - long time gone. The cleaning drum has a wire stand in the bottom so dirt drops below and stays out of the way and you can't push the filter into it or stir it up with 'gentle' washing. I suppose I have used this kit for 8 years and cleaned out the drum twice and topped up the 'magic fluid' once. After the cleaning and squeezing the filter is rinsed in cold water and left out to dry before the Belray water proof filter oil - my favourite after 100 years of useing - is applied. I still see the Putoline kits available and the 'magic fluid' cleans filters easily and, it's claimed, does not open the filter pores. Works for me.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2010, 03,47:33 AM » |
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I have been using No Toil for ages as well. After drowning my bike I can testify that the oil won;t come out of the filter unless it has some agent to react with like laundry powder or not toil remover. After wring the wet filter out it was still as sticky as when I put it in.
I also throw them in the washing machine and with a bit of No Toil cleaner and napi-san there is no residue left inside the washing machine drum.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2010, 07,06:43 AM » |
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Ive been using No Toil since '07 when i bought my '07 wr250. I have just done 8500ks, with 2 submarine trips alone the way. And after just having the engine apart (well Dave)it was reported to look like new inside. Ive never had and issuse with water or dust getting past. A after seeing and helping Simon, after his drowning and ringing out of the air filter. The oil was still very much in the filter and the exess would not was off my hands until i got back to the car with detergant. I also run 3 filters and wash after every ride as its so easy with No Toil, it can be done inside. And my Fumina loop defently has a few good size and depth river crossing.(ask Simon)Cheers Al Ps. I dont think that test would work with a normal filter oil?
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OZinUS
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2010, 02,40:45 PM » |
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I agree, the video theory doesnt hold water If you have a motor running and air is being pulled through the filter. Then if the filter is submerged, water will be ingested no matter what brand air filter oil is used.. The main reason I use "No-Toil" is that it makes cleaning easier with no chemicals in the house. My wife read this thread recently and was shocked that I was washing the filters in our NEW washing machine  oops. |
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Stewart
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