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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2011, 11,28:09 AM » |
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Well it’s good to see my name is still popping up. The only reason I decided to run my ride as an experienced ride was to stop the talk about ride levels and just get back to putting on the sort of rides I like to ride. I’ve only been riding bikes for nearly 6 years and all of them with Amtra and have traveled through the levels and have ridden all most every terrain and area that Amtra has had a ride on. Anyone who attended my first Experience ride will have worked out we did not do anything ridiculous hard nor anything you would not find on any other Clubman ride? How ever I do like to string together a lot of the type of tracks I like riding together and cut out the transport sections as much as possible. My rides as with all Amtra rides contain poo stirring and lots of laughs. And as always with Amtra lots of assistance when needed. I don’t class myself as an Experience rider and tend to ride with blokes who’s talents and skills far out way mine, who yet still enjoy the ride and style of the rides I put on. I am lucky to be quite fit and I work at it as it improves my riding and allows me to complete a day on the bike such as I Experience ride, and wake up the next day not even knowing I’ve been on the bike the day before. I don’t feel good about feeling pressured into labeling my ride as Experience to keep the peace. To be honest it feels fake and untrue. If I put my ride down as Clubman, i'm told to adamant its more than that? Put it down as Experienced and you supposedly full of yourself and need to join a completive club? I will ride in the desert soon and will struggle as I have before, on a ride that is of a low level than mine according to its rating? Matt has the right idea about the levels and knowing or learning about the ride, its leader and it previous riders is more important the level attached to it!
Al
PS. Comment from the close of my Experienced ride, good Clubman day by all 10 riders new and old to Amtra.
PS2. I have put on several level 2 rides, several clubman rides and now 1 bulls#$t Experinces ride this year. I have helpped out on a couple Level 1-2 rides for the year, what the f@^k more do people want. They to can go and put on a ride if there isnt anything on the calendar.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2011, 11,34:36 AM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. Oh yea I know, I'm more L2, but we do/did have a lot of L1's that aren't being catered for except for Zeb's rides which are getting a large turn out when he's able to run them.. More my point is that the number of rides has dropped off substantially compared to this time last year, and those that are being put on are more L2+ and Clubman now, so if you want a problem to solve then it's not the definition of the ride levels, it's the number of rides and the spread of different ride levels. Just my 2 cents worth..  |
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 11,44:32 AM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. Oh yea I know, I'm more L2, but we do/did have a lot of L1's that aren't being catered for except for Zeb's rides which are getting a large turn out when he's able to run them.. More my point is that the number of rides has dropped off substantially compared to this time last year, and those that are being put on are more L2+ and Clubman now, so if you want a problem to solve then it's not the definition of the ride levels, it's the number of rides and the spread of different ride levels. Just my 2 cents worth.. time to step up to the plate and put on a few level ones then dan |
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2011, 11,45:26 AM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. So if Dan is a level 2 rider "and i agree" and i'm a Clubman rider, what do you class yourself Willy??
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2011, 11,46:48 AM » |
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purely out of curiosity , those of you who rode my rawson ,in your own opinion what would you class the ride level at , for future referance- seano
I feel it was a L2 & a Bit!!! are you sure ,i thought it was much harder as i never had to put you on a corner. cos you were so far behind |
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 11,51:56 AM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. Oh yea I know, I'm more L2, but we do/did have a lot of L1's that aren't being catered for except for Zeb's rides which are getting a large turn out when he's able to run them.. More my point is that the number of rides has dropped off substantially compared to this time last year, and those that are being put on are more L2+ and Clubman now, so if you want a problem to solve then it's not the definition of the ride levels, it's the number of rides and the spread of different ride levels. Just my 2 cents worth.. time to step up to the plate and put on a few level ones then dan Thats a good idea Sean, I'm sure Seano and I will help you out Dan if you can be tempted. Will |
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2011, 11,54:07 AM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. Oh yea I know, I'm more L2, but we do/did have a lot of L1's that aren't being catered for except for Zeb's rides which are getting a large turn out when he's able to run them.. More my point is that the number of rides has dropped off substantially compared to this time last year, and those that are being put on are more L2+ and Clubman now, so if you want a problem to solve then it's not the definition of the ride levels, it's the number of rides and the spread of different ride levels. Just my 2 cents worth.. time to step up to the plate and put on a few level ones then dan What's saying I haven't Seano, they're just not necessarily with the club. Also if I put on a large club ride then a lot of people are likely to get lost, finding my way round isn't my strength.  Anyway I'm just pointing out how things are different to 12 months ago.. |
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2011, 11,59:00 AM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. Oh yea I know, I'm more L2, but we do/did have a lot of L1's that aren't being catered for except for Zeb's rides which are getting a large turn out when he's able to run them.. More my point is that the number of rides has dropped off substantially compared to this time last year, and those that are being put on are more L2+ and Clubman now, so if you want a problem to solve then it's not the definition of the ride levels, it's the number of rides and the spread of different ride levels. Just my 2 cents worth.. time to step up to the plate and put on a few level ones then dan What's saying I haven't Seano, they're just not necessarily with the club. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2011, 12,04:24 PM » |
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I'm not sure if the understanding of the ride levels appears to be so much of a problem anymore, most of us know what each ride leader is about, and if it gets too tough then show us the car park and we'll head home. I think more the issue now is the lack of spread of diffrent ride levels, 12 months ago everyone was complaining that the club had gone soft and none of the rides were hard or challenging, now it's the other way round and those of us who just want a cruisy weekend out exploring with mates are left looking elsewhere for rides..
The level 1 and 2 rides are almost a thing of the past, with there being only around 3 L1 rides this year. I and many others joined AMTRA for the L1 & 2 rides as I'm not yet in a position to ride often enough to improve to L2+ or Clubman, these were cruisy rides and you get a chance to meet simular people who aren't interested in riding like a bat out of hell, or climb Mt Everest all the time :-)
Anyway if AMTRA want to increase the member base then I believe this could be an area that needs attention as from what i've seen, new members are typically beginers or people revisiting this great pasttime and as such look for cruisier rides with less Hardening Up....
Hate to inform you Dan, but you have passed level 1 and are already a level 2 rider. Oh yea I know, I'm more L2, but we do/did have a lot of L1's that aren't being catered for except for Zeb's rides which are getting a large turn out when he's able to run them.. More my point is that the number of rides has dropped off substantially compared to this time last year, and those that are being put on are more L2+ and Clubman now, so if you want a problem to solve then it's not the definition of the ride levels, it's the number of rides and the spread of different ride levels. Just my 2 cents worth.. time to step up to the plate and put on a few level ones then dan What's saying I haven't Seano, they're just not necessarily with the club. Hey Dan the thing about leading a ride is that the guys behind do not know when you are lost, it's fekin brilliant, I get lost all the time, but we always have a great ride and always get home safe and sound. If you are keen mate I will help you do one at Neerim. Will |
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2011, 12,36:08 PM » |
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Well 'aint this a hot topic tonight! I think everyone has posted valid points and I also think the grading system works quite well..
I consider myself a level 2-3 grade rider,but when it comes to rides I'll happily do a level 1.If only to be out there in the first place,or even have a bit of advice to offer,go sweep etc..
At the other end of the scale I'll see posts for level 4 rides and straight away think "Give that a miss,don't want to hold up the good riders"
Then there's something like a HTFU ride which I might think
"Thats for the hardcore dudes" but there's the help will be given clause,so someone who's not sure at least knows they won't be left at the bottom of a gnarly hillclimb.
I've never been on an AMTRA ride where there has been discontent due to a slower rider.Even if a few blokes go for a quick loop while an issue is sorted,at the end of the day everyone had a good ride..
HTFU 3 was booked out well in advance (and I'm working)so pissed off I missed that one..
Saw you on the morning of your ride Seano (with Matt and James)hope you had a good one!
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2011, 01,32:46 AM » |
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2011, 07,50:14 AM » |
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"Here's a good one"
If you can't mono for no less than 50mtrs your Not a Clubman. Clubman should be able to control his bike with ease on the back wheel.
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2011, 08,05:09 AM » |
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here's a better one: How about anyone who doesn't ride a Husaberg is a pussy.  |
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2011, 08,09:29 AM » |
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here's a better one: How about anyone who doesn't ride a Husaberg is a pussy. How about we set up the ride levels like so; Level 1 level 2 clubman experienced Husaberg |
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2011, 08,13:27 AM » |
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Your onto something!
I like it!
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