AMTRA.com.au

Hello All
Here is  a topic I think may be of interested
After talking to MA I think may have some merit if you could read the following files and post your thoughts
John T
 

The idea is very sensible.
Rod Lay proposed this many years ago and Peter Ellard was pushing it hard until he retired from AMTRA duties as he had little support.

Over the last 5 years I have raised this with various parties whilst attending the Motorcycle Expo in Melbourne. Vic Police Offroad guys were sympathetic yet said they were not in favour for various reasons i.e there were still too many unlicensed/uninsured riders/bikes out there doing the wrong thing. The respective talking heads/public faces of the Off Road Motorcycle Magazines said they were in support but wouldn't be the voice for the discussion (they were too busy). As someone who has brought his son through riding in the bush on private and public areas (and paid for it) I applaud the push to get this through. The paper sets out good grounds and logic in the argument for this to be adopted. AMTRA is a great organisation with a membership that broadly supports legal riding opportunties for all. Hope this gets the hearing and support it deserves.

 
Spoke to Rod a MA RE: GLS ( Graded licence system ) gave me a person to contact at vic roads.
I will contact him this week.

I thought there would be more interest in this topic
As there has been a fair bit going on that I did not know
about so if you have an opinion post it so I can get an idea on where the club stands in the topic.
John T

I think it's a bloody brilliant idea. 

Although it doesn't concern me (I don't have kids who are interested in riding), I support the idea, and commend Meat Head in his efforts to follow it through.

Looks like a little bit of Peter E is rubbing off!

Was going to tell you tomorow night Mr T. Brilliant idea to all the listed ideas and if Coop ever gets motivated to ride his bike it will be great. Let us know if there is any of it i can help with and i will do my best.
Al

I think this is a great idea as you can get a junior boat and pwc licence so why not a dirt bike junior licence?

go for it great idea

As a dad of two boys who love riding I agree with an off road licence for kids. It is near on impossible for us to take the youngsters out in the bush without running the risk of an encounter with Mr.Plod. 

sounds like a good idea talked to my boys about it and they can't wait to they turn twelve. Would like to help out were I can with this ,thanks Darren

I support the idea. Would like the club to take it up as something to pursue.

bloody brilliant idea ,fridge boy
Same as everyone else who replied any assistance needed just ask and I,m yours  :-*
Ta Seano

I to like the idea and have a few mates with teenagers as well. Let me know if you need anything...

Since when have you had mates??  ;D

All,   Over the years quite a bit of discussion has taken place on this matter. It is a sensitive and complicated matter and probably requires a brave person to make a decision, bearing in mind the repercussions if some young person was hurt!!.
       In 2004 I wrote to the minister of transport on this issue and received the attached reply from the then Chief Executive of Vic Roads, David Anderson.
       Food for thought, what he has had to say is based on information from various sources and research.

Phil R.

You would hate for a young person to get hurt doing something a dangerous a riding off road? Better let them get a junior gun license instead? Ow, their lack of body weight will only let them fall on their arse and hurt or kill someone else! Or i suppose they could get a junior fishing license? Ow, no wait their lack of body weight may mean they a swept away in the river and drown!

Yes you can see how the lack of body weight hampers riders like Merriman and Stoner.

So, who has a good riding area in mind where this could be trialled?

What risks do people see in permitting a 12 yo to ride in a public area?

Do people think the ages being proposed and the reasons are valid for motorcycling?

What motorcycle standard do you think AMTRA should encourage as a minimum? The proposals talk about daylight hours only to remove the need for lighting, but we all know how things work and that you can be coming home in the dark on a day ride (especially if Tim is leading :P)

To support this and have a reasonable expectation it is possible needs rational thoughts backed up with some evidence. There are at least examples of licencing at less than 18, and other "risk" activities that persons under 18 can participate in.

So put your brains in gear and put the results down on paper.

I going to get in touch with vicroads tomorrow and see if I
can get in touch with the guy MA said to ask,
what is happening with junior licensing

Hi Guys
Please check this link out and give me your thoughts
As I think we may have some common  goals in that they support bush  recreation
And junior / Rec license
 

http://www.countryalliance.org/index.php/recreational-policy-sublist/134-motorbikes-we-want-a-new-recreational-motorbike-licence-to-support-their-use-on-unsignposted-roads.html

All,
     The Country Alliance has only been around for a few (less than 10) years and has always been generally on our side in making the use of the bush equitable to all, and for $20.00 a year membership we could all do a lot worse things in our lives than being a member.
     We have State elections coming up in the future and we need to consider on which side our bread is buttered!!!.
     Ultimately, if this is to happen it will require a motion through state parliament, and perhaps we should start there with an approach to the minister to seek out his views.  Hopefully a letter from a Registered Association with a few hundred members will receive some consideration that we can follow up on.
     I have discussed this issue with the DSE in the past and at that time they expressed a lot of interest.

Food for thought,
Phil r.
     

food for thought

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RavknU__eE&feature=relmfu

Meat Head for Parliament, how good does these guys appear. I think we should look into them further.

Trying to arrange a meeting with Vic police solo division
next week as they seem very supportive of the concept
will keep you posted

Thanks Lefty 

UPDATE
I have uploaded a proto type web site it is still under construction.
jorml.id.au (http://jorml.id.au)
if you could have a look and give some feed back try out the forum as I need to see how it all works
Thanks
John T

Looks good john, wont to do the amtra one next.

Looks good Mr T. Name is added to the list, Al

Waiting, waiting, waiting...for my account to be approved!

Nothing like slow administrators!

Only took a couple of minutes for mine!

Hey Guys
If You have nothing to do please have a go posting in the junior off road forum us to see if it works.
Thanks
John T

Hello fellow AMTRA people
I have started a poll on the JORML site and need some poll questions
And more members !!!!
I.E
age
where to ride
limits on riding bike cap,or in line with L.A.M.B
rec reg
curfew
anything else
John T

I just registered cant post until authorised, said something about sending email to administrator before I can post anything. Not like I have anything worth saying anyway.

Anyone know what are the consequences if my 13yo on a rec registered bike get
fined for no licence. Do they loose there play lunch for a week, a fine, and are parents fined or loose demerit points?

Hello Amtra
JORML now has a guest book @ http://www.custom-machine.com.au/Junioroffroad/guestbook/guestbook.html (http://www.custom-machine.com.au/Junioroffroad/guestbook/guestbook.html)
so if you could fill in your name and email we can gauge  support for JORML concept.
If you know anybody else that would be interested in the idea,
Please let them know
Thanks
John T
 

The guest book does not seem to work John. tried posting twice but it just resets with a blank page.

Thanks for the 2 post it did work both times

Hi All
After Speaking with the senior sergent of the solo Division.
He is very positive and said he would help in any way he could.
He mention about a free access area has anyone herd of this?.
And also add some other points to think about so here is the start

Proposal for Junior off road licence

1/ Age group 12 to 18 years
2/ Hold of a Junior off road licence
3/ Bike to have rec or full registration
4/ Be under the supervision of a full licence holder
5/ Be riding with in a ride group lead by the ride leader and followed by a Tailman
6/ Able to ride where  rec registration is applicable

Post reply in JORML forum please

Done!

Free access areas have been proposed for many years. More than 20 as far as I remember. I think there was a trial of one however I believe they have never got anywhere due to the difficulty in setting them up/supervising them and policing what happens there such as all riders travelling one way on tracks and there was also the insurance/risk that any government would be exposed to in setting up an official area.
Peter Ellard would be the man to talk to.

Have a meeting with DSE and vic police on Monday
Will post result

John,
Good luck,   I sincerely hope it goes well.
Cheers,
Phil R.

One small step 8000 to go ( Looks like we got HART on side )
Next step to forward the letters and see if we can get it on to the agenda at MAG( motorcycle advisory group )