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johnny d
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2011, 09,47:05 AM »

i had a gi joe toy when i was a kid it had a shiny green helmet,, i thought it looked cool.
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Aaron
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 10,14:33 AM »

Bto sport in the US of America have shoei helmets for about $390. Same helmet here is $700+. It's super comfy and an absolutely top shelf lid.
No ADR Compliance for Helmets brought in from OS, means no TAC Cover !!!!

Rubbish. Even if you're not wearing a helmet(or pants Peter) you are still covered by TAC.
Australian Road Rules

The Australian Road Rules (ARRs) are a basically a consistent set of rules which apply right across Australia and make it easier all round for road users. The ARRs were developed by the National Road Transport Commission, State and Territory transport agencies, police, other organisations and approved by a majority vote of State Transport Ministers. (link)

The latest version of the Australian Road Rules incorporates the amendments approved by the Australian Transport Council up to and including January 2008. The Australian Road Rules are model Rules only and have no legal effect however they form the basis of Road Rules of each Australian state and territory. (link) In these rules an “approved motor bike helmet means a protective helmet for motor bike riders that is approved, for the Australian Road Rules, under another law of this jurisdiction”. (link)

In short, the ARR do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company’s certification trade mark.

Victorian (VIC) Road Rules

Unfortunately the Victorian Rider handbook (link) is not representative of the marketplace in that:

· page 18 indicates, “By law, every rider and passenger, including pillion and sidecar passengers, must wear a helmet approved by Australian Standards”. “Your helmet must carry the AS1698 or AS/NZS 1698 mark.” and;

· on page 19 the photograph indicates, “Only buy a helmet carrying this sticker” and shows the now discontinued Australian Standards ‘5-ticks’ sticker.

As indicated above since 17 December 2003 Australian Standards or more correctly SAIL does not certify/approve products or supply the‘5-ticks’ sticker.

To clarify the situation we should refer to the legal requirements namely the Road Rules – Victoria (link), clause 270, which indicates amongst other things, the rider and a passenger of a motor bike that is moving, or is stationary but not parked must wear an approved motor bike helmet.

“An approved motor bike helmet means a protective helmet for motor bike riders that is approved, by the Corporation by notice in the Government Gazette.”

Special Gazette No S 174 (link) indicates an approved motor bike helmets, amongst other things, “are marked with an official standards mark certifying compliance with the relevant Standard…”

A standards mark is not legally defined and given today’s marketplace and the precedence given by the Federal Government body the ACCC could be a private company’s certification trade mark or it could be the standards mark of the manufacturer, distributor, supplier or retailer.

In short, the VIC Road Rules do not require a helmet to be certified nor marked with a particular company’s certification trade mark.


 Huh Huh Wow now thats the biggest load of legal jargon i have seen in a while ...... If you had a choice to wear one that is certified and one that is not why would you choose one that is not - In the event of an incident people generally go through enough stress without adding additional stress becasue you are hoping that the cops dont  ask the question or notice your helmut doesnt have the shiny sliver sticker on it. ??

I just had an issue were i was handed a fine for travelling the wrong way on an access road next to the nepean highway i argued the finer points of the road rules but the copper said , hey mr zeb here is your ticket if you wanna argue it take it to the courts , being a know it all when it comes to the law and the reality of day to day are two different things i dont have the time or resourses to argue the finer points of the law with anyone so i would not buy or use an unaproved helmet.
If you read through the jargon, I think it means the term "approved helmet" no longer only applies to the aus standard sticker. It seems to me that a helmet approved by the manufacturer for motorcycle use is ok. My helmet is both DOT and SNELL M2005 approved. The snell standard is quite a high standard and should be looked for as well as the aus standard sticker. It's a much better indicator of quality and protection than the aus standard.
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Peter r
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 10,21:46 AM »

i had a gi joe toy when i was a kid it had a shiny green helmet,, i thought it looked cool.
I still have Six Million Dollar Man in the Garage, you remember, "you look through the back of his head and you can see for MILES"
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DarrenD
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2011, 10,30:51 AM »

Wow.  I never thought buying a helmet could be so difficult!!  Good luck Seano. 
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kurnol
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2011, 11,50:31 AM »

I saw what looked like an almost new fox helmet at the side of one of the tracks in neerim on sunday.  Did not stop to take a closer look just incase there was still a head in it!!!

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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2011, 10,35:20 PM »

See here if you want to see some of the tests done for Snell certification.

http://www.smf.org/testing

These tests are more demanding than those meeting DOT standards. Note that "Pudding Basin" type helmets can still meet DOT standard, but would not necessarily meet Snell or AS1698 standards.
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Clarky
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2011, 12,36:46 AM »

I just bought a new M2R OX800. Had one ride and it feels great. Not sure how much as I bought a new pair of Sidi Crossfires - real happy with them too.
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Frankie-boy
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2011, 02,18:44 AM »

I was thinking of buying a Fox V3, the only one I liked were sold out, next batch won't be here till after Feb, I ended up getting a Arai VX Pro3 from Pitlane Motorcycles in Fern Tree Gully at a good price, I'm happy I did as my last helmet was an Arai couldn't fault it.
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Peter r
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2011, 10,38:08 AM »

Hey sean i found a new Helmet/Gimp mask for you on e bay.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Russian-Model-PDF-D-Child-Gas-Mask-Evirstar-S-M-L-XL-/110756797336?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c99e9b98
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seano
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2011, 06,47:19 PM »

thats not much different that the cpap mask I wear to bed now Smiley
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Gary Clarke
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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2011, 04,43:08 AM »

What about this one  Smiley


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Willbar
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2011, 05,27:42 AM »

What about this one  Smiley
I notice it is maid from a tube so does that make it the AMTRA Gimp Mask
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seano
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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2011, 06,30:21 AM »

What about this one  Smiley
Nice one Gazza ,from where can one purchase such attire,I,m guessing you might know Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cool
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